Date: September 23, 1997 02:11 AM
Author: libby Spieth (Outnorth@aol.com)
Subject: Baby formula

Just would like to share what I have learned about baby formulas and viable substitutes.

Formulas are expensive and to store a years' supply is formidable for America's working poor. I have a few children, some of which were supplemented on goats' milk. However, fresh goats' milk is about 10.00 gal., and dried is running about the same for the same dry weight as formula.

My last two children would not accept formula (soy nor milk) or goat's milk(fresh or dried). They did accept rice and barley milk. It is inexpensive, nutritious and easy to make. Simply slow cook a cup of brown rice or barley in a large pot of water until the starches are released and the water is almost opaque. You can cook it down to a thickness to suit. strain, refridgerate the excess. It will remain stable in fridge about 2-3 days. So don't make too much. To the baby bottle add 1 tbs of maple syrup and away you go. Rice milk ferments easily once the syrup is added, so always check any remains in a bottle. Better yet, ditch it and always give new milk. Without refridgeration, the milk need s to be made daily. It will stay stable for 24hr in 80 degrees and under. A faster way to make it is to cook the grain to very soft, then blend with the water in blender. It must be strained well, a stocking works well.

Please note: this I have used in supplementation to breast-feeding. Under sever stress it is easy for milk production to be inhibited, and a Y2K situation would be definite stress. Both of my children who were/are on rice milk have/are thriving on it. There is also very little allergic-reactions to brown rice and barley. USE SHORT GRAIN BROWN RICE or barley. Never use white rice as there is no nutritional value in it. Also, one can contact a naturopath for baby formula recipes, as they know what vitamins should be added if you are going to use rice milks exclusively.

Thought this might help some mom out there.

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Date: September 23, 1997 02:39 AM
Author: Will Richards (will_richards@hotmail.com)
Subject: Why not nurse?


I am just wondering. My wife has nursed all seven. Is there areason not to?

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Date: September 23, 1997 03:47 AM
Author: libby Spieth (Outnorth@aol.com)
Subject: baby formula


Why not nurse?

I have 6 and have tried to nurse all of them exclusively. It just didn't work out. After the 4th month I start drying up. I've been to Le Leche and laid in bed until my skin crawled. I have accepted the fact that my body just doesn't produce well in that dept.. and would rather have happy full babies than the screaming, hungry one.

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Date: September 23, 1997 08:44 PM
Author: Will Richards (will_richards@hotmail.com)
Subject: pardon me


I did not mean to be rude. I was just wodering and probably should have been more a gentleman and asked my wife. By the way we have seven. She has been fortunate enough produce enough milk with all except one. She had to take medicine that cut her off for that one. The formula thing is harder for sure, but necessary when it is, for baby, mom, and dad.

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Date: September 24, 1997 12:57 AM
Author: libby Spieth (Outnorth@aol.com)
Subject: Pardon me...

No problem. Not insulted at all. A legitimate question and not an attack. I've become used to being "attacked" for my views and way of life, so I'm pretty good at telling the difference.

I would have had 7 but one died at 4 months. 6 is good, too. No regrets, at the moment. AT peace.

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Date: September 24, 1997 06:59 PM
Author: Will Richards (will_richards@hotmail.com)
Subject: sometimes restless


I would have 8, but I let one be murdered. Stood by like a coward and did nothing. I will never forget, and will always wonder. Thank God for my seven.

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Date: October 05, 1997 08:23 PM
Author: Majhor Disaster (dashing@fn.com)
Subject: ANOTHER EMERGENCY BABY FORMULA (AND ADD FOR Y2K SURV. BOOK)

The following comprises about 1/5 of a page in the 34 (+/-) page booklet I'm going to be completing & marketing soon on what Y2K is, how it might effect us, and how to survive it and prosper thereafter. If you like my style & detail, email me that you'd like to be notified when I'm ready to post an add. Thanks!

EMERGENCY BABY FORMULA

If refrigeration-level temperatures are available, make up and store the day's batch using "Per Day" formula. Otherwise, mix fresh for each feeding using the "Single Serving" formula below:

SINGLE SERVING: 1-1/3 cups boiled water, 1/3 cup plus 2 teaspoons powdered milk, 1 tablespoon vegetable oil, 2 teaspoons sugar, 1/9 crushed multiple vitamin.

PER DAY: 4 cups boiled water, 1 cup plus 2 tablespoons powdered milk, 3 tablespoons vegetable oil, 2 tablespoons sugar, 1/3 crushed multiple vitamin.

To provide emergency formula for one baby for one month, store 7.5 gallons of water, 6 lbs of powdered milk, 2 pounds of vegetable oil, 1.3 pounds of sugar, and 10 multiple vitamin pills.

P.S., this is just a "taste" of things to come. Haaaa Haaa, I'm as witty as I am scientific. If you like this one, just wait until you read my "stewed dog" recipe--you'll Howl with delight!

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Date: October 06, 1997 12:17 AM
Author: libby Spieth (Outnorth@aol.com)
Subject: baby formula


To: Major Disaster

Please take into account that infants generally should not be fed cow's milk. the last thing a mother wants is a sick baby during a time such as is anticipated in Y2K. Brown rice does not cause the problems with digestion that cow's milk does. Brown rice also contains absorbable calcium, whereas, cow's milk calcium molecules are much too large for humans, hence the milk curdles in the stomach.

I do agree with the addition of the oil, to substitute for the fat that would normally be in breast milk. I agree with the addition of the multi-vitamin. One thought on the vitamins...wouldn't it be better to store the liquid infant vitamins. tHEY are specially formulated according to dosage and would mix easily with the formula.

I personally would use the maple syrup as it is a natural product and does not require as much added as white sugar. Maple syrup also has a flavor that is agreeable to infant palates (I have tried light and dark corn syrup, white sugar and maple syrup. The maple won hands down.) It also has trace elements and is not refined like white sugar.

I understand that we are discussing survival. But since we are in the process of getting prepared, wouldn't it be great if we could provide the best possible for our little ones?

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Date: October 20, 1997 12:31 PM
Author: Major Disaster (dashing@fn.net)
Subject: reply


You are exactly right on all observations--however, I still offer my formula for EMERGENCIES for use by folk caught totally flat footed. I figure white sugar will be available when maple syrup is not. Ditto with cow milk, and maybe even adult vitamins. You've got some great ideas and I wish that level of care could be what all babies get. I keep getting this vision of what I saw overseas...mothers drinking a cup of stream water and dribbling it into their unconscious infant's mouth and the kid choking it down--ANYTHING you and I can do to keep from that ever happening again is fine with me.

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Date: October 25, 1997 01:13 AM
Author: libby spieth (cowboyland@aol.com)


to major disaster

I can most certainly understand the reason behind you recipe. Yours does have one over mine, and that is fuel consumption. it takes less fuel to boil 4 cups of water than it does to boil a pot of rice milk down to a thicker consistency. i have to admit that making one's own "milk" is almost as fuel intensive as making crumpets. but, if we are the most dedicated of mothers we will find a way to overcome even that. And since we are on this forum in search of preparedness, we, hopefully, will have taken all into account.

thank you for your support of my ideas.. i do get many comments (mostly ngative, unfortunately) about what is in the bottle from passive observers.

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