| Buying Food: When/Where/How | |
Date:
July 13, 1997 05:27 PM
Author: Jim Erskine
(jim.erskine@bgamug.org)
Subject: Buying food... getting started
OK... given that y2k WILL affect everything, we all know we need to stock up on food, and other basics of life. Certainly when the word on y2k reaches some sort of "critical mass", there is likely to be some initial runs on groceries, banks and the like. (All it might take is a report on 20/20 or Nightline to get the ball rolling -- when you see the subject in places like this, look out!)
My questions on food and food storage are pretty simple, I guess, but I'm a pretty dense fellow to begin with. So first: Is there any difference between buying food from these survival food places and buying food from the local grocery? Couldn't you buy a few extra items (pinto beans for instance) on every shopping trip, and store em in a 5 gallon bucket instead of spending big bucks ordering this stuff via mail order? I'm not sure I get the point of stocking up on this long-term storage food if we'll be using what we have on hand up come mid - 1999 or so. I'd suspect that pretty much up through 1998 evything will run pretty smoothly and NOW is the time to start adding a few extra "storage" items to your grocery list each week. Or am I missing the point here?
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Date:
July 13, 1997 06:35 PM
Author: Noll Paynter
(worldlink@seanet.com)
Subject: The point will become obvious soon.
You will have a short period to become familiar with the ins and outs of storing food for servival. Why, how and where are covered in any number of books (Web also). If you have a interest in storage for yourself, your family and for barter see the thread regarding coop buying on the Inventory and barter forum.
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Date:
July 14, 1997 03:42 PM
Author: Arnold Jagt
(ajagt@entrewave.com)
Most food storage programs assume you do not know when you are going to need them. Thus they are made for long shelf life, etc. This applies to Y2K only in that we do not know how long or how badly for how long it will be before some sort of normalcy is restored.
For a shorter Y2K breakdown you are right: storing stuff that will only last for a few years will work OK.
It takes 10 pounds of grain go to make a pound of meat. If there is a run on grocery stores or grains before Y2K, the market should adjust and provide what is required and the logitics pipelines should remain full. Thus anything you can do to cause people to buy and store now will help them and everyone else. Buying more of what you would buy anyway makes sense at least to start.
Arnold
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Date:
October 16, 1997 10:54 AM
Author: K. Shaw
(shaw1@flash.net)
Subject: Bulk Food Orders
You might want to check out Bruce Hopkin's website for BEST PRICES STORABLE FOODS at
http://web2.airmail.net/foodstr2.htm
His company offers: Dehydrated Food; Freeze Dried Food; TVP (Textured Vegetable Protein; MREs (Meals, Ready to Eat. Military packaged); Maple Leaf (Bulk-packaged Herbs, Spices & Seasonings); Organic Foods (These products are certified organic; Open Pollinated, Non-hybrid Seeds & Sprouting seeds; Water Filters & Storage Containers; Wheat & Grain Grinders (Electric, Manual & Convertible); Books, Survival, Cooking and Recipes; 1-Year Unit (Enough food to keep 1 person alive for 1 year); Monthly Specials; Samples of freeze dried and dehydrated foods. ("Try before you buy" feature).
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Date:
October 16, 1997 04:36 PM
Author: Al Durtschi
(rcox@mail.lcc.whecn.edu)
In all fairness to Bruce, let me give you his correct URL: http://web2.airmail.net/foodstr2/
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Date:
October 16, 1997 05:25 PM
Author: Allen Walker
(A11247@hotmail.com)
Al, Dr. North mentioned in a prior newsletter that he purchased 5 years of storage food from Walton's and that we could call them to get a list of what he bought. Would you be able to post that list here. It would probably help many people in deciding what to include in their storage program.
Thanks, Allen
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Date:
October 21, 1997 05:46 PM
Author: Al Durtschi
(rcox@mail.lcc.whecn.edu)
Subject: Getting a copy of Gary North's Order
Dr. North requested I not post his order for food storage here on the forum but has given me permission to E-mail it to anyone who requests it. For those of you who request it, please realize I don't have an automatic remailer and I will need to check my mail before I can send it back to you. But I usually check my mail 4-6 times a day.
Please send me your requests by E-mail so we don't end up with 30 requests in the forum.
Al
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Date:
October 22, 1997 03:03 AM
Author: Lynn
(hope1@breeze.net)
Subject: Order
Hi Al, seems Mr North is putting his wallet where is mouth is? Wish I could get away with such a small amount. I got to counting one day and realized I had 14 of us, (8 immediate) who would be hungry WTSHTF. I have it anywhere I can.
My reason for posting tonight is old powdered milk. No, not from Waltons, someone gave me some when they moved. Thought they were unloading on me I guess. But did you read in the Ensign where using old powdered milk is great in the garden for calcium supplement for the plants? I dont know if anyone has this problem like I do, but sometimes I keep mine in a warm place too long and it gets yucky tasting, or else it's not packaged good and the bugs get to it. In fact, have several #10 cans and a couple of buckets (would you believe someone put it in regular old plastic buckets without sealing it, no oxygenators !) ready to throw in my garden boxes. Where I am, this calcium supplement is a must to get any good root crops. We have lots of iron in our red dirt, but no calcium, so this will save me alot of money.
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Date:
October 22, 1997 03:07 AM
Author: Lynn
(hope1@breeze.net)
Subject: Norths order
Hey Al, I take that back, I think Gary has me beat. I was only counting the first row of buckets. Think I'll go eat at his house. I don't have any mushrooms !
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Date:
July 14, 1997 10:56 PM
Author: Jim Erskine
(jim.erskine@bgamug.org)
Subject: buying at the store
Dr. Paynter, with all due respect, you missed my point. I KNOW the point of having food stockpiled -- my question was on stockpiling from the local grocery, Aldis or Big Lots as opposed to stockpiling from the "survival food" sources. Dr. Jagt caught my question as intended. For someone like myself with little extra capital at any time to think of buying of pallet of "survival food" is out of the question. However, I can and AM beginning to buy a few extra items each time I go to the grocery. Right now, I'm looking at what will store indefinitely (or at least for the next two and half years) and will build from here. May I ask if anyone has done a price comparison between the cost of foods purchased at the grocery vs. "survival foods"? I am assuming I can find my long term storage containers for free --ie. 5 gallon food buckets from a local restaurant. Jim Erskine PS. These forums are a fantastic resource -- thank you, Dr. North!
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Date:
August 26, 1997 09:26 AM
Author: Ken Seger
(kenseger@primary.net)
Subject: Using local resources to save money
Jim, one of the greatest resources in your community (if you have them) is your local LDS (Mormons). I live in St. Louis county. The St. Louis group orders from Walton Feeds and the price of the shipping PLUMMETS when you are shipping a trailer truck's worth (say +4,000# rate), making buying well packed items VERY affordable. Ordering storage food of less than 400# gets REAL costly on the shipping. St. Louis group also has a cannery. The St. Charles group purchases their grains from a farm in No.Dakota and freeze dried yeast locally, last time I checked. The Mormons are very happy to have others get in on their purchases as it helps their frieght rate go down. Be sure you show up early on unloading day to help others unload and sort the purchases (bring some good padded palm work gloves those bucket bails on 33# buckets get thinner as you move more :) ). If you live in an area where their are so few Mormons that they don't have an organized food purchasing arrangement, help them organinze one. You and they can contact the St. Louis and St. Charles groups for advice and get the ball rolling. If only half a dozen or a dozen people go in on one order the savings on shipping costs is extrodinary.
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Date:
July 15, 1997 02:40 PM
Author: Al Durtschi
(rcox@mail.lcc.whecn.edu)
Subject: Moderator Responce
Hello everybody!
This is my first posting as the moderator of this group. I'm probably doing this all wrong and await Arnold's correction. Anyway, I'm really happy to be aboard and feel that I have something to offer. I'm grateful to Dr. North for this opportunity to help folks plan for the tremendously exciting, yet challenging times that await us in the future.
I expect that I will only say this once on this forum, and that is, I'm not going to push my business on you. I didn't get into this business in the first place for that and I don't intend on starting now. My only real hope is that my little contribution will help people prepare for the hard times. That may sound a bit self righteous, but never the less, it is so. There is one other thing you should know about me up front - I'm a Latter Day Saint (LDS) and because of this, many of the things I write here in the future will hinge on the LDS perspective of food storage, something they have been doing for a very long time.
So with that, let's get started with your questions and comments.
>My questions on food and food storage are pretty simple.
>Is there any difference between buying food from these
>survival food places and buying food from the local
>grocery?
As long as it hasn't been sitting around for years on the shelf there is no reason that I can think of why you couldn't purchase your food in the grocery store. Of course, you should buy foods that will store well. Foods that are dry, such as beans store well, as well as canned goods. Be aware that if you store wet packed canned goods, (like most everything that is in cans in a grocery store) they should be used up within two years and replaced with new food. Although they will still be editable, their nutrients will decrease after that time. Dry foods store for a lot longer.
>Couldn't you buy a few extra items (pinto beans for
>instance) on every shopping trip...
Many of you already know that the LDS church has encouraged their people to store food for years, and this is how they suggest you do it. Their leaders know that few people have enough money to go out and blow a lot of money on several tons of long storage food. Doing this does take a certain amount of discipline, however, as there are so many places for your money to go every month. But most of the people reading this have already gained the motivation to do this. So the bottom line is no, you don't have to get your food supply from a food storage company.
>May I ask if anyone has done a price comparison between the
>cost of foods purchased at the grocery vs. "survival
foods"?
As grocery prices vary across the country, the people in each locality must do a price comparison on their own. Many food storage companies have very competitive prices and can often beat the grocery stores for the same items. But when the price of shipping is included, often the grocery store will give you the best price. Be aware there are other reasons for purchasing your food from food storage companies aside from the price of the food.
> I am assuming I can find my long term storage containers
>for free --ie. 5 gallon food buckets from a local
>restaurant...
There are also other sources as well. Almost every bakery gets their fruit fillings in plastic buckets. Don't leave out the major grocery stores that have bakeries in them. Often these stores sell their empty buckets near the bakery department. And if you live in a town that has large food processors, often they have empty blue plastic 55 gallon drums laying around that can obtained at a great price. These are great for storing water and for bulk grains such as wheat.
Al
See http://waltonfeed.com/grain/faqs/vi-c.html for a listing of food storage companies.
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Date:
July 27, 1997 03:50 PM
Author: Barry Gillette
(gillette@mail.usmo.com)
Subject: ONCE OPENED HOW LONG IT LASTS
Al, I'm going thru your cataloge to buy some food but have several questions. One is, if I buy a six gal bucket of something, say eggs, after opening this bucket how long will the rest of the unused eggs last? And do I have to reseal them with oxegin absorbers? I noticed a six gal bucket is much cheaper than six #10 cans, should I be prepared to repack once opened? How do I figure out how much I will need, like powdered milk or margerine, how many gal. does a bucket make? Do you have a breakdown on how much one person eats of each product on average? My wife and I have been going thru this, figuring how much we eat of everything we can think of ,but this dryed food has us stumped, how much powdered cheese do we need ect.? I ordered three books that might give me help in this area but I haven't recieved them yet, and if I wait to get them and read it, it may be next year, I don't want to wait that long ,any help will be greatly appreciated. Barry
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Date:
July 28, 1997 09:19 PM
Author: Tom Zinck
(tzinck@comnet.ca)
Subject: foods from the store...
Hello.
Just my input...
I buy an extra bag of sugar, bag of flour and rice every other week. I store this is 5gal buckets I guy at a beer/wine making store.
I buy dryed beans in bulk from a local India Food/Spice store. I also get Alfalfa (sp) seeds from them as well. I can't but much mailorder (living in Canada) so this will have to make due.
I also dry apples, make my own apple sauce, and saurkraught. I also buy bulk quite-oats for Breakfast.
I use every thing I have stored and rotate it all. This will not last me more than 2-3 months (for 2 people) but it is better than nothing.
For water I have access to a stream (I live in a city) and I store 55Gal rotated every 6 months..
Comments ?
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Date:
July 29, 1997 04:37 PM
Author: Al Durtschi
(rcox@mail.lcc.whecn.edu)
Subject: Building your food storage from locally procured foods.
I think this is a great idea and should be a consideration for everyone who is serious about a food supply. There is nothing sacred about the food that comes from a food storage company. The food storage companies come in handy for items that can't be purchased locally and for people who lack the time, resources, or experience to nitrogen pack their foods themselves. If you wish to slowly build your storage by an item or two every month, local procurement is often the best way to go.
Al
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Date:
July 29, 1997 04:06 PM
Author: Al Durtschi
(rcox@mail.lcc.whecn.edu)
>if I buy a six gal bucket of something, say eggs, after
>opening this bucket how long will the rest of the unused eggs last?
If you take reasonable measures to keep your opened foods dry and as cool as possible (which in many cases won't be below 70 degrees F), eggs, powdered milk, powdered cheese, and most any item should stay good for at least a year after opening it. I personally like my powdered cheeses, milks, deh. vegetables, deh. fruit and powdered eggs in #10 cans so I don't have so much opened up at one time. I like it this way because these items are more perishable and I don't have to worry about using up a 6 gallon bucket of these items after I open it. The one draw back is the cans are a more expensive way to go. But for these items I think it's worth it.
>And do I have to reseal them with oxegin absorbers? I
>noticed a six gal bucket is much cheaper than six #10 cans,
>should I be prepared to repack once opened?
I believe this is un-necessary unless you plan on putting it away again for several years.
>How do I figure out how much I will need, like powdered
milk or margerine, how many gal. does a bucket make? Do you
have a breakdown on how much one person eats of each product on average?
The LDS Church, who has been in the food storage business for a long time, suggests you put away as a minimum:
Grains: 420 lbs
Legumes: 34 lbs
Fats: 26 lbs
Powdered Milk: 16 lbs
Sugars: 60 lbs
We don't have a breakdown of how much a person eats on average because in an emergency situation a person would eat quite differently than they do now. The above foods would be a good guide to begin with. I can say that a 6 gal bucket of deh. reg. milk will make 43.75 gallons of reconstituted milk.
>how much powdered cheese do we need ect.?
The honest truth is you don't need any powdered cheese. But your food storage would be much more livable with it for flavoring foods. The same goes for lots of other items. Let me say that the milk is considered a necessity because of it's great nutritional content. It is hard for me to tell you how much of these items you should purchase as I don't know your eating habits. May I suggest you get a small quantity of these items to test in your family to make an intelligent decision here. The Internet site will give you a 20% discount on #2.5 and #10 cans so you can experiment with these different foods if you choose to get them from us.
Al
See http://waltonfeed.com/grain/faqs/vi-c.html
for a listing of food storage companies.
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Date:
August 11, 1997 04:15 AM
Author: JDohms
(prcedm@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca)
Subject: TO: Al Durtschi
Hi Al,
I just had a few questions about getting food from Walton Feed into Canada. I live in Edmonton (you sent me your price list), and most of my church (about 50 people) are looking at buying food from you for Y2K. I know that you live near Lethbridge, AB, and that you get your foods from Walton (wheat excluded).
Do you have to pay duty on the food you bring across the border?
How much food would you bring a one time? We were thinking of just renting a big truck and getting everybodies orders at the same time. Would we possibly have a problem at Customs?
Can you order empty buckets from Waltons, to stick the wheat we buy locally in? (I don't know where to get food grade buckets around here)
Thanks, JD
P.S. Anyone else with helpful info is welcome to put their 2 cents in.
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Date:
August 11, 1997 08:56 AM
Author: Al Durtschi
(rcox@mail.lcc.whecn.edu)
Subject: Getting food storage in Canada...
I know years ago some of the other food storage companies (I'm thinking of Perma Pac right now) had a distributer or two in Canada. I'm not aware of one right now. If anyone knows of one out there, it would be a good idea to post it to this forum.
>I just had a few questions about getting food from Walton
>Feed into Canada... Do you have to pay duty on the food
>you bring across the border?
The stuff I have brought across the border for personal use I have declared as groceries (I think they fit into that catagory, anyway), and yes, I have had to pay duty on it.
I have an Ag Customs officer that lives right across the street from me who can answer most of your questions. Unfortunately, I'm going on a two week camping trip with the Boy Scouts this morning. When I get back I will ask him if he will help me work up a list of problems with the different foods.
I can tell you the only foods they will have any trouble with would be the seeds (which would be a large part of your food storage). I know wheat is a very big problem because of the Karnal Bunt fungus now in the United States.
You can get good wheat for a very reasonable price from a Mr. Erling Olsen in Warner at 403-642-2146. As Warner is right on the road you wouldn't have any trouble stopping on your way back and picking it up. He only sells it in sacks, but it is good wheat. Be sure you call and make arrangements before hand so he will have the amount you want cleaned and sacked.
>Can you order empty buckets from Waltons
Yes.
>(I don't know where to get food grade buckets around here)
Try the bakeries.
See you in two weeks,
Al
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Date:
August 15, 1997 09:08 AM
Author: robert
(robert@avicom.net)
Subject: FOOD STORAGE
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Date:
September 01, 1997 04:31 PM
Author: Eugene Gross
(geneg@mindspring.com)
Subject: A food storage program
I thought sharing what we are doing might help -- and I might get some additional pointers and ideas, too.
To start off with, my wife and I purchased bulk food stores from Walton's!! It is the unit designed to feed four people for a year, but since there are only two of us, I figure that we can go close to two years with it. In addition, we have added several cases of MREs and have made homemade MREs based on an article that was in American Survival Guide some time back.
Now, we are going to add extra amounts of bulk food to suit our tastes as long as we can. This way we'll have a larder that will feed us until our own crops start coming in.
We have also purchased food items from our local grocery store. What we have done is mark the date of purchase on the items so that we can rotate them and replace them we fresh supplies. Also, we carefully inspect those items that have a high acid content to them to be sure that the food acid hasn't started causing any damage to the can, which means the can gets tossed.
After Fran tore up the area (the eye passed right over us), we lived off some of our stores and have since replaced them. The only problem we have is finding a place for everything now, and it will be even more difficult when we move into the 5th wheel, which we are going to place on the land where we finally settle. The 5th wheel is 35 feet long with three slides, so while it is one of the larger ones, there isn't a lot of storage space. I plan on building a root cellar/shelter as my first major project once we settle -- and my wife will start the garden. My wife also cans vegies, which helps add to our stores.
Hope this helps. I realize that cost can be a factor, but when you take into account what it is that you are purchasing, the cost isn't so much! And I'm not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination!! But for me, money is merely a tool and a means to an end.
En Agape,
Gene
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Date:
October 14, 1997 08:27 PM
Author: carl v
(eval@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: cheap canned goods
the other day i visited an "odd lots" store. i don't know if these stores that go by the name "odd lots" are all over the country or not, but any such big chain of discount stores (or any small diacount store for that matter) that offers canned goods is a really good place to "stock up." the prices are really low, and sometimes, delicacies are found as well as brand-name staples. also, i've heard a simple u.s. military can-opener will open any can.
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Date:
October 15, 1997 08:31 AM
Author: gbug
(gbug2k@hotmail.com)
Subject: super losers
most food items in the big/odd stores are supermarket losers. bad ideas that didn't make it in the supers, even at last try low prices. someofit has been in store displays but most is warehouse clearance. if it is all or most of the following there is no storage potential: stale, bad idea, eating the package, bad flavor, etc. starting with fresh is vital to a storage program.
bug-out
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Date:
October 19, 1997 09:03 PM
Author: JL
Subject: oil storage
I heard olive oil will store for a long time, over a year, is that correct? If not what do you do for oil?
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Date:
October 21, 1997 05:33 PM
Author: Al Durtschi
(rcox@mail.lcc.whecn.edu)
Subject: Life of olive oil.
In another thread of this forum there is quite a bit of talk about the storage life of olive oil. One poster got with the manufacturer and they said it would last for a number of years. But I presume this is processed olive oil and not virgin oil. One definitely needs fats and oils in their diet and this part of your food storage program should not be overlooked.
Al
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Date:
October 16, 1997 01:01 AM
Author: Lynn Lowrie
(hope1@breeze.net)
Subject: odd lot canned foods
Carl.......there are obvious problems mentioned with these odd lot groceries, as gbug has mentioned above me. He is right on, about SOME of the stuff in these stores. YOU need to peruse these places and look for items you can store. take home ONE package, try it, if it's good to you, go back and get some more,whatever you can USE within say a YEAR. I purchased some great powdered milk for about $6 for a can larger than a number 10 can. When I opend it, used it, it was great. I wrote the company and ask them about the lot number on the can, they told me the date was fine, they had TOO MUCH processed, some buyer did not pick up their order, and thats how I got a good deal in milk. Just don't buy 5 yrs worth without testing/tasting. Make sure the package is survivable also, you don't want to buy owd milk in a celephane package and expect it to last for years, the mice will be happy, you won't.
You know folks, we don't have much time. And most of us don't have much money. You cannot hold hard and fast to ideas without TRYING them out and THINKING it through.
I am glad to hear AL is LDS also, as I am. I have been food stoarge chairman in my local group. And never fail to share my stories with other people who are wanting to learn. I try to tell my family, but I guess they all know I will feed them, theyare all airheads,they don't even store bottled water in earthquake country!!!But I sure do.
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Date:
October 19, 1997 11:49 PM
Author: Will_richards
(will_richards@hotmail.com)
Subject: I said 1000000 not10000000
Alot of lots are sold because of poor acounting and futures projections. We purchase this stuff all the time and save lotsa. You must get good at reading labels and calling manufactures, develope the tightwad eye, and know what is good what is bad. We have gotten Knorr soups for less than it cost to make them. 5 lbs bags of french roast coffee cheaper then the low end store brand. Toothbrushes,brushs ,shampoo,a case of canning sure jell for pennies on the dollar. Surejell has an expiration date, but it never expires, go figure. It is made from sugar, pectin, fumaric acid, and sodium citrate, it will out last you, I think. Well maybe not, but at least ten years, we have used it that old.
Right now is the time to search for canning stuff. the season is over and it is available cheap. Bea just got cases of jars from Wal Mart for about half price. Look for canning salt, pickle salt, sure jell, cans, lids
Good hunting!
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Date:
October 17, 1997 12:43 PM
Author: Monica George
(monicageorge@usa.net)
Subject: Soy Beans-What do I do with them?
I have a chance to buy soy beans from a farm here...what do I do with them for consumption? Does anyone know how to make unflavored Textured Veg. Protein (TVP) that, I understand is from soybeans? Monica George
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Date:
October 18, 1997 12:13 PM
Author: Brendan Ogle
(bren52@idt.net)
Subject: Wanna buy Wholesale....
I live in QUEENS,New York City. I have recently began stockpiling food. I operate a home business and have a thing called 're-sale' number(this is how govt can make everyone a tax collector).Any how, this number allows me to buy wholesale food.I can buy bulk quantities of rice,beans,detergents,insecticdes etc. I even use my credit card to buy these institutional items. I have scanned the Walton feed list and the prices for rice (100lb bag) and dried beans is very very comparable. I personally urge anyone who can to register your self as some type of business so you can take advantage of bargains in your backyard. I buy from a place called Restaurant Depot that provides all manner of institional maintenance items that would be ideal barter items. Check it out
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Date:
October 19, 1997 11:43 PM
Author: Lynn
(hope1@breeze.net)
Subject: found a great website
Just found a wonderful website that encompasses very much what we speak of here, as far as the tangibles we talk about.
http://www.maplesprings.com/link.html
I spent a lot of time on this site today and found such items as alternative medecine, soap making, canning, home schooling, candle making. This site is new to me, perhaps to you to. I think it will answer many how to questions we have had here on this site.
(http://garynorth.entrewave.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=16&Message_ID=4383)
Date:
October 19, 1997 11:55 PM
Author: Lynn
(hope1@breeze.net)
Subject: additional info
Oops, sorry I failed to mention, the page I mentioned above is a page of LINKS. It begins with dogs.......scroll past that to whatever your interested in, raising farm animals is next then on to good stuff.
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