Date: October 22, 1997 10:14 AM
Author: Ralph (rph99@hotmail.com)
Subject: Buying Grains For Self Storage

Where are the best places to get different kinds of grains locally so that you can save alot of the shipping costs that seem to drive up the price of most of the items?

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Date: October 24, 1997 01:37 PM
Author: del cool (cooldel@usa.net)
Subject: grain purchase


you didn't say what area you live in but here in the midwest most people are within driving distance of a farming area and they usually have a feed mill in one of the towns where you could purchase grains in small quanitys

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Date: October 24, 1997 03:45 PM
Author: Ralph (rph99@hotmail.com)


I live in the mid-east in a small university town where there is a Southern States.

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Date: October 27, 1997 04:41 PM
Author: Al Durtschi (rcox@mail.lcc.whecn.edu)


I also think buying grains locally is a great idea. There is one thing you definitely want to watch out for, however. And that is, you don't want to buy treated seed prepared for planting. It is always colored to warn you, usually pink or red. Depending on the kind of seed, it is covered with pesticides or fungicides. Don't try to eat this as it really is poisonous.

The reason I stress this is because people report to me all over the United States that the only kind of grain they can purchase from the grain storage facilities is the treated kind as these places don't normally cater to the consuming public, and therefore don't have any stock as there is no demand. All of that can change if enough of you ask for it.

Al

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Date: October 28, 1997 07:34 AM
Author: Arthur Welling (artw@lancnews.infi.net)
Subject: Feed store, not grain storage


Howdy Al,

I went to my favorite local fram supply (also sells feed) and asked for 'just plain corn'. 50 lb bags are $4.99. To show me it was safe he popped a few kernals in his mouth to suck on as we walked thru the store.

BTW, Kimberly will be returning to work next week and MOST of the heavy pressure is off. It'll take a while to recover financially, but if the whole bleepin works doesn't fall with the market we'll have time to get in decent shape.

Thanks agin,

Art

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Date: October 29, 1997 01:16 PM
Author: Al Durtschi (rcox@mail.lcc.whecn.edu)
Subject: Buying grains locally


>my favorite local farm supply sells 'just plain corn,' 50
>lb bags for $4.99.

Art, This is great! See if they can get you wheat.

Al

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Date: October 29, 1997 02:54 PM
Author: Art Welling (artw@lancnews.infi.net)
Subject: No wheat yet,


Thanks Al,

No, I havn't found wheat yet locally for consumption. I HAVE met up with a few others through these forums who live fairly close and am discussing with some the possibilities of placing a group order from Waltons.

I plan on the corn as backup. Both for us, and to share with others who show up at the door. If I can ever get a grinder and a corn bread recipe that I can't screw up, well............(gg)

I did get wind of a neighboring farmer who is going to plant some winter wheat. Perhaps he'll sell a bit come spring, or better yet trade some for work on his equipment !

Peace, Art

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Date: October 29, 1997 11:33 PM
Author: Lynn (hope1@breeze.net)
Subject: corn bread recipe


Art...try this; 2 c corn flour (just grind up the corn in your mill) 4 t baking powder 1 t salt 1 egg 3 T oil 1 c liquid milk 1/4 c honey I mix all the wet ingredients together and then stir in the dry stuff. Put into a well oiled 8 inch pan and bake 20-25 min at 425. It's not fluffy, but it has ten times the flavor.

You can use milk powder here if you figure the proportions out. And I am sure you can use an egg substitute here too. In the past I have used 1 T ground flax seed for the 1 egg. this doesn't look too bad since it is whole corn meal/flour with flecks of the germ in it anyway, not the plain yellow junk you buy for corn meal in the store. Once you taste this you will not want to use store bought corn meal again, so keep your grinder handy.

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Date: October 30, 1997 07:28 AM
Author: Art Welling (artw@lancnews.infi.net)
Subject: THANKS !


Thanks Lynn !

I've printed the recipe out and it will go 'in the book'. The 'book' is a binder with hard copies of anything worthwhile I run across, just in case the power and the pc's go off.

I'm saving pennies for a little Ark grinder, and in a few months will be able to try your recipe !

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Date: October 30, 1997 10:53 PM
Author: Lynn (hope1@breeze.net)
Subject: recipes


Hi Art; See if you can locate a book called " The Forget About Meat Cookbook" by Karen Brooks. Lots of recipes for fresh ground grain. The best granola I ever had, and lots of good things to eat all day long, without eating meat. I am not a vegeterian, but I do know I can get along without meat by combining my grains. Theres another book called "Diet For a Small Planet", can't remember tha author. If I dig I can probably find it in my recipe mess. If you need it , ask me and I'll dig.

Sending you that corn recipe made me hungry for it, guess I'll get some corn out and start eating some cornbread!

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Date: October 31, 1997 07:24 AM
Author: Art Welling (artw@lancnews.infi.net)
Subject: Recipes, etc.


Lynn,

Cook books........ You've heard the title concerning Y2K that if you can sleep well at night you don't know how bad it is ? I'm probably CLOSE to correct with that..

Well, Lately I have NOT been able to sleep as well as I would like. (DARN you Dr. North) Too much to do and so little time. So.... At 5am this AM I found myself downstairs stoking the coal stove and looking over our book stacks. Which ones would be the most valuable in the coming years ?

We NEVER through away books. Period. End of story. They are gold in our eyes. In my Mother's life she collected a number of cookbooks. About four shelves worth in our racks. Looking over these books again, I found several that are must haves. "Beans Peas and Lentils" is one that covers a few hundred ways to use dried legumes. A family heirloom cookbook passed down since printed in the mid 40's is another. It was wartime and the book covers a LARGE amount of substitutions as well as other make do ways.

This gives me a good idea for another thread.... More later !

Art

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Date: October 30, 1997 10:22 AM
Author: Al Durtschi (rcox@mail.lcc.whecn.edu)
Subject: There's a smart way of going about this.


>I did get wind of a neighboring farmer who is going to
>plant some winter wheat. Perhaps he'll sell a bit come
>spring, or better yet trade some for work on his equipment !

Art,

I also live in wheat country. Let me tell you an easy way of getting it cleaned if you are going to get it directly from the farmer. Wheat straight out of the combine still has a lot of chaff, foreign seeds, and even tiny rocks in it. In the spring time before the farmer plants his wheat he gets it cleaned and treated. The seed cleaning plant takes all that foreign matter out so you don't have to. Ask your farmer friend if he will clean a couple of extra hundred pounds for you. Then get it before it's 'treated' with those red chemicals.

Al

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Date: October 30, 1997 12:30 PM
Author: Will_richards (will_richards@hotmail.com)
Subject: Sealing Mylar bags and stuff


Hi Al,

Here is the info on sealing the Mylar bags. It seems to work great with an iron. I would tell anyone that is going to do this to experiment by slicing a few strips off a bag first and testing your iron. I would guess that the cloth could be eliminated with a teflon iron and the right heat setting.

I am posting this info here and in grains, maybe a few other places. My wife and I bought Mylar bags and experimented with them to see how to seal them. Here is the Imfo.

BEA,

Use Iron setting on Polyester, Wool, Cotton. (all irons should have this setting, On my iron is #2) Let get hot. Use a piece of material, I used flannel, a pillowcase would be perfect. Fold over end of Mylar bag. Place cloth over top of Mylar and hold iron on material for 20 seconds, move to next section of mylar, hold iron on material and iron for 20 seconds. Do this all along the length of bag until finished. Mylar will be very hot do not touch. Let it cool. It should be sealed. If you don't wait for the Mylar to cool, you will be able to open the edges. Once it cooled we were not able to get the edges opened, and the bag held air.

ME,

I am going to place the bags in buckets and use a board laid across the top to iron on. I will follow the guidelines on Waltons o2 page for o2 elimination. We plan on photographing and sending Al the photos to use for his pages

ON field run grain; if your farming buddy is selling to a mill they may clean before they store it. If they don't they usaaly will clean some for the seller if he asks.

Also many farmers have seed cleaners, it takes time, but they may set you up with their cleaner. I usally do this, but this year the cleaner was broken. This winter I will rebuild the wood for him and get a discount in the spring.

Right now we are cleaning by hand, it gives the children a greater appreciation of bread and pancakes.

Will

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Date: October 30, 1997 10:59 PM
Author: Will_richards (will_richards@hotmail.com)


Anyone who is going to use Mylar bags should visit this site and read so you know how to use 02 absorbers.

http://waltonfeed.com/oxy.html

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Date: November 03, 1997 09:36 PM
Author: Matt (m.m.luke@usa.com)
Subject: What about processed wheat?

I'm a dummy when it comes to food storage. Can anyone tell me if and how long processed wheat/corn flour can be stored?

Learning to survive, Matt

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Date: November 06, 1997 09:34 PM
Author: Kyla Jones (kyla_jones@hotmail.com)


> Can
> anyone tell me if and how long processed
> wheat/corn flour can be stored?


Whole grains store much longer than flour so many people buy whole grains and a grinder to make their own flour. Here's the Walton Feed's website that gives the storage life of various foods: http://waltonfeed.com/grain/life.html

Kyla

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