| Dry Goods - How Long Do They Keep? |
| * Dry Goods - How Long Do They Keep? | Fred Walter | 11/16/97 | ||||||
| * Storage Life | Joe Stout | 11/16/97 | ||||||
| * Rice | Dr Gene | 11/20/97 | ||||||
| * Storage of Rice | William Anderson | 11/20/97 | ||||||
| * Storage life of rice. | Al Durtschi | 11/21/97 | ||||||
| * Corn uses?? | Dr Gene | 11/22/97 | ||||||
| * Dried corn: sounds great, but how does one use it? | Abigail Hill | 11/22/97 | ||||||
| * Dried corn | bill Lee | 11/23/97 | ||||||
| * Uses of dried corn | Al Durtschi | 11/24/97 | ||||||
| * Other uses for corn | Mushroom | 01/03/98 | ||||||
| * Corn recipe | Tim Stephenson | 01/12/98 | ||||||
| * Corn Bread | J.C. Sage | 01/18/98 | ||||||
| * Moisture Content of Tvp® | Will Richards | 12/15/97 | ||||||
| * TVP® Moisture Content | Al Durtschi | 12/16/97 | ||||||
| * Perma Gard helps prolong grain storage | Chuck Hartman | 01/02/98 | ||||||
| * Uses for DTE | Mushroom | 01/15/98 | ||||||
| * What about deer jerky? | chrissy | 12/30/97 | ||||||
| * Jerky | Dee Hill | 01/02/98 | ||||||
| * Beans | Pinky | 01/06/98 | ||||||
| * Life of beans stored in air. | Al Durtschi | 01/06/98 | ||||||
| * Source for cheap bulk dry food | Tim Stephenson | 01/12/98 | ||||||
| * Storage | Chrissy | 01/09/98 | ||||||
| * Freezing food storage. | Al Durtschi | 01/15/98 | ||||||
| * More on freezing food. | Al Durtschi | 01/16/98 | ||||||
| * Worth it to look into a canning machine? | Kate Kelley | 01/18/98 | ||||||
| * canning equipment | Joe W. Stout | 01/19/98 | ||||||
| * >My questions are these: Will the LDS church be overwhelmed ... | Al Durtschi | 01/20/98 | ||||||
Date:
November 16, 1997 03:47 PM
Author: Fred Walter
(fredw@mks.com)
Subject: Dry Goods - How Long Do They Keep?
How long can you safely store dry goods?How long before their nutrients are effectively gone?How long before their chemistry changes so thatthey don't do what they should do? (Yeast, baking powderand backing soda come to mind here).I'm curious about the above because I have the followingon my shelves: - bread flour - wheat flour - rye flour - yeast (in my fridge) - whole egg powder - skim milk powder - white sugar - baking soda - baking powder - wheat berries (to be ground into whole wheat flour) - salt - various pancake mixesMost of the above are stored in thick plastic containers,or glass containers. They are not in direct sunlight.I know that the yeast in my fridge still works aftertwo years, as I'm getting back into making my own breadagain. (Practice for when I may not have a choice inthe matter, just in case Y2K causes breakdowns in thefood transportation infrastructure.) fred
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Date:
November 16, 1997 08:32 PM
Author: Joe Stout
(joewstout@iswt.com)
Subject: Storage Life
Fred, Every item has a different storage life. Oxygen free environment extends most all tremendously. View all the other threads on this forum. Many of your questions can be answered. Good book--Making The Best of Basics, by James Talmage Stevens. Can be ordered from Walton's.
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Date:
November 20, 1997 09:08 PM
Author: Dr Gene
(carvgene@eci.com)
Subject: Rice
I don't see much about rice. Can it be stored? I'm sure that the common white store bought stuff doesn't have all that much nutrition left in it, but brown rice surely is good for you and is healthy. Can brown rice be stored long term and is it treated any differently that wheat or other grains? I am assuming brown rice is the whole rice berry without the germ or hull removed. God bless, Dr. Gene
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Date:
November 20, 1997 10:51 PM
Author: William Anderson
(williaman@hotmail.com)
Subject: Storage of Rice
I buy 25 pound bags of brown rice at a local Asian Market. I store them in a sealed metal can in the basement until I need them. When I open a bag, I place the rice in screw top glass jars with rubber seals for day to day use. As I keep a couple of bags in storage, the rice is 2 to 3 years old when I use it, but is good. One bag did have bugs in it when I went to use it.
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Date:
November 21, 1997 03:39 PM
Author: Al Durtschi
(rcox@mail.lcc.whecn.edu)
Subject: Storage life of rice.
The following is an excerpt from our Storage Life of Dry Foods page.
Brown and white rices store very differently. Brown rice is only expected to store for 6 months under average conditions. This is because of the essential fatty acids in brown rice. These oils quickly go rancid as they oxidize. It will store much longer if refrigerated. White rice has the outer shell removed along with those fats. Because of his, white rice isn't nearly as good for you, but will store longer. Hermetically sealed in the absence of oxygen, plan on a storage life for white rice of 8-10 years at a stable temperature of 70 degrees F. It should keep proportionately longer if stored at cooler temperatures.
With all that said, people who have taken special care of their brown rice by removing all the oxygen and storing it below 65 degrees F have gotten several years out of it. The standard answer for brown rice is "6 to 12 months," however.
Al
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Date:
November 22, 1997 06:00 PM
Author: Dr Gene
(carvgene@eci.com)
Subject: Corn uses??
I am curious what all the interest is in corn. Is this sweet corn or field corn? Field corn would probably be used as animal/bird feed. I understand it can be used for human feed if done correctly, but other than corn bread and the like what else are you going to use corn for? But some folks are talking about buying a ton of the stuff.
Al, thanks for the answer on rice. That is helpful. God bless, Dr. Gene
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Date:
November 22, 1997 11:58 PM
Author: Abigail Hill
(abigail.hill@usa.NET)
Subject: Dried corn: sounds great, but how does one use it?
According to several posts, dried corn that is suitable for human consumption (I guess that means that there aren't chemicals or bits of stuff that would be indigestable by human stomachs or harmful to us)can be purchased in bulk at Feed Stores for incredibly cheap prices...like a ton, divided up into smaller sacks for just a few hundred dollars. I pass a feed store several times a month, but I haven't checked it out yet. Does anyone know how to use the dried corn? Does one rehydrate it, grind it for meal, pressure cook it for soup? I'm inexperienced at cooking with even fresh corn.
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Date:
November 23, 1997 09:47 PM
Author: bill Lee
(bull_le@hotmail.com)
Subject: Dried corn
Dried corn stores great even in hot climates. Make sure that you store in a dry place. I purchase bulk corn - make sure it is for human consumption. I freeze the corn for a week. I then store in 5gal. buckets with dessicants. I purchased a corn grinder at Walmart for around $28.00. Makes great corn meal! Corn is cheap and good for you! To make good corn bread you need flour, so get wheat and a wheat grinder. Also need milk and baking soda. A batch takes 1 egg and the other stuff I mentioned. I plan to have chickens for my eggs and use powered milk. Also think about fat. Pig fat lasts a long time and is very cheap. Eathing without oil or fat could be a problem. Good luck and God bless - Bill Lee
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Date:
November 24, 1997 01:03 PM
Author: Al Durtschi
(rcox@mail.lcc.whecn.edu)
Subject: Uses of dried corn
You can use field corn for lots of things, such as...
Corn bread
Corn Chips
Taco Shells
Corn Pone
Corn Chowder
Tortillas
Grits
But this isn't sweet corn and my experience has been that you will be disappointed if you try to use it as sweet corn out of a can. Even after hours of boiling it, the outer shell will still be hard and it won't taste very good.
Anybody out there have any other uses for it?
Al
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Date:
January 03, 1998 05:47 PM
Author: Mushroom
(mushroom@edumaster.net)
Subject: Other uses for corn
What about corn pancakes, or hoecakes, cornmeal mush, polenta, scrapple, Anadama bread, added to other grains and cracked for cereal, souffles. Many other recipes can be found in whole grain cookbooks. Now is the time to get them and try out new recipes. The Italians of Northern Italy serve polenta often. Try Italian cookbooks for new recipes. The point being, do it now while you still can. BTW, a very adequate cornbread can be made without the addition of wheat, it will just be more crunchy. Rice flour can also be substituted for cornmeal if desired. I have made rice bread for my husband while he was in the hospital. Very digestable.
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Date:
January 12, 1998 12:51 AM
Author: Tim Stephenson
(tim@pcinternet.com)
Subject: Corn recipe
In Swaziland, I ate lots of corn meal prepared to be rather dry, like mashed potatos - a few strips of meat on it and we had a satisfying meal. (The nationals called it "Mealie-Meal".)
Here, we grind either feed corn or from-the-bakery-supply-place-in-50-lb-sacks corn and prepare it as follows:
_Swazi Mealie Meal, Southern California Style_
Boil 3 3/8 cups water w/ 1 tsp salt
Coarsely grind 1 3/4 cups dried corn
Mix cornmeal into 1 1/2 cups cold water
Add cornmeal/coldwater slurry to boiling water, stirring constantly.
Cook 5 min over med heat, stirring constantly (some sources say 15 min).
Serve in a bowl w/toppings: we like meat and sugar snap peas (providing all amino acids), and a touch of butter.
Note: this is a moister mix than the Swazi variety, but my wife likes it better and she's the one who's doing all of that stirring (...when Momma's happy, etc.).
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Date:
January 18, 1998 07:16 AM
Author: J.C. Sage
(ladysage@rocketmail.com)
Subject: Corn Bread
If you like corn bread that is moist rather then dry, substitute honey for sugar.
J.C.
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Date:
December 15, 1997 10:47 AM
Author: Will Richards
(Will_richards@hotmail.com)
Subject: Moisture Content of Tvp®
Hi Al, I copied this from your storage life page and was woundering about the moisture content requirements. I have A line on some tvp® And want to can it but I can not find anything on the miosture content requirements.
"Total Vegetable Protein, made from soy beans, has an unusually long storage life. Hermetically sealed in the absence of oxygen, plan on a storage life of 15-20 years at a stable temperature of 70 degrees F. TVP® should keep proportionately longer if stored at cooler temperatures."
Thanks in advance.
Will
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Date:
December 16, 1997 10:28 AM
Author: Al Durtschi
(rcox@mail.lcc.whecn.edu)
Subject: TVP® Moisture Content
Like the grains, the moisture content of TVP® should be no more than 10%. It should be dry enough that it crunches when you chew on it. If you have TVP® that comes in larger pieces than the normal granules, it should break when you bend it. TVP® comes packed in thick plastic bags from the manufacturer. You should wait until you are ready to repackage it before cutting open these bags and exposing your TVP® to the moisture in the air. If you are buying your TVP® from a bulk store where you scoop out what you want, you may wish to ask if you can buy a box that hasn't already been cut into.
Al
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Date:
January 02, 1998 01:20 PM
Author: Chuck Hartman
(CHart50250@aol.com)
Subject: Perma Gard helps prolong grain storage
The Bob Livingston letter says that Perma Gard keeps grain dry and dehydrates any bugs. (505) 873-3061. Anybody know more? Love, Chuck
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Date:
January 15, 1998 08:50 PM
Author: Mushroom
(mushroom@edumaster.net)
Subject: Uses for DTE
I have been mixing 1 teaspoon of diatomacious earth into my dog's food for years. Once a month I put into the dry food and stir it up so it coats as much as possible. He eats it and it kills intestinal paracites. My dog is a Siberian Huskey so measure down according to your dog's size. I give the cat 1/4 tsp. to 2 cups of dry food per month for the same reason. I use DTE for dusting my garden. It is good to do after each rain to replace what gets washed off. It helps control chewing bugs. Be careful that you don't do it too often so you don't deplete the beneficial insect populations.
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Date:
December 30, 1997 09:58 PM
Author: chrissy
(chrissyb@usa.net)
Subject: What about deer jerky?
Does anyone know how long deer jerky or any kind of jerky will keep? My thought was to vacuum pack it after it was dried. We make it fairly often but have never been able to keep it around long enough to find out when it will go bad. The end of next year I thought I would do quite a bit of it if the storage life is fairly decent.
Thanks, Chrissy
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Date:
January 02, 1998 10:20 PM
Author: Dee Hill
(tigerhill@yahoo.com)
Subject: Jerky
Here's what my email friend has to say: "I'm probably a little late with the jerky info, but here goes. I really don't know how long it lasts at least 6-12 mo. But if you dip it in salt water or tamari (soy sauce) after its dried then sprinkle a little spices on, it will last longer and taste better also."
Good eatin'!
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Date:
January 06, 1998 02:07 AM
Author: Pinky
(pf451@usa.net)
Subject: Beans
Does anybody know the shelf life of beans (pinto,kidney, black,etc.) in the plastic package, such as what you buy from the grocery store? I realize that this is a more expensive way to buy beans, but I feel like I need to get something now, and it is better to have something than absolutely nothing because who knows what could happen this year that could prevent us from getting prepared. Well that's probably a subject for another area. Also, does anybody know where to buy dried goods or any other food that stores well in the LA area? Pinky
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Date:
January 06, 1998 04:30 PM
Author: Al Durtschi
(rcox@mail.lcc.whecn.edu)
Subject: Life of beans stored in air.
As dry beans age they lose their ability to soften when cooked. You have to cook them longer and longer. When they get really old you can cook them for days and they won't soften. About the only way to use beans this old is to grind them, which you can do.
Stored in air, you will notice this hardening effect start after they are about 2 years old and then as time passes it will get worse. So what's the answer if you can't store them in the absence of oxygen???
Rotate them into and out of your food supply before they get old. You can do this simply by eating the older beans rather than the new beans you just bought.
Al
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Date:
January 12, 1998 01:09 AM
Author: Tim Stephenson
(tim@pcinternet.com)
Subject: Source for cheap bulk dry food
The Mormons have a Bishop's Warehouse in Colton, CA (and across the country, I'm sure), which will sell you dried food (except corn and brown rice), and let you can it up for about 48 cents per #10 can (with oxygen absorber packet). They stress the concept of rotating your stock and eating now what you will be wanting to eat when times get tough (that is, storing what your family normally eats). They suggest #10 tins because folks are reluctant to open a 5 gal plastic tub and thus don't rotate their foods.
They have a wide variety of products, including such things as a powdered drink mix that has all of your usual vitamin pill stuff added (if memory serves). They don't seem to care if you are not a Mormon.
E-mail for specifics on hours and location if you are curious about this facility.
Also, check the yellow pages for Bakery Supplies. We get a lot of items from Honeyville Grains in Rancho Cucamonga (although LA has other suppliers, I'm sure).
-Tim
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Date:
January 09, 1998 12:48 PM
Author: Chrissy
(chrissyb@usa.net)
Subject: Storage
Al,
My Walton order is due in late this afternoon.(See folks you will get your order from Walton. It has only been three months for me and I live in Florida. We are thrilled it has come so fast. I am not being faceitious (sp.)) My plan is to freeze each item that will not be used for a while for at least several days. Do you see any problem with this? Condensadion? Would I be better off not to freeze the buckets and only freeze the bags? I have never had this much food to store for a long period. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Chrissy
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Date:
January 15, 1998 06:51 PM
Author: Al Durtschi
(rcox@mail.lcc.whecn.edu)
Subject: Freezing food storage.
>My plan is to freeze each item that will not be used for a
>while for at least several days. Do you see any problem
>with this? Condensadion? Would I be better off not to freeze
> the buckets and only freeze the bags?
Chrissy,
I presume you want to freeze the food to kill any insects in it. We at Walton Feed have had some amazing luck at having bug free products. Even the best food providers can end up with this problem, however, and when this happens with us we make it good on a case by case basis. You won't find too many companies that will do this.
Anyway, to get to your questions, yes you can freeze your buckets and cans without any ill effects on the food. I really expect it would be all right to freeze the bags also if you didn't leave them in there for months.
When people order their goods in paper bags they really should re-pack them into airtight containers. And it would be a good idea to use oxy absorbers or dry ice to get rid of the oxygen as well. Bugs can't be active if there isn't any oxygen in the container. Bags of flour or wheat can easily be infested after they are delivered if they are left in their paper sacks.
Al
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Date:
January 16, 1998 04:09 PM
Author: Al Durtschi
(rcox@mail.lcc.whecn.edu)
Subject: More on freezing food.
Geri Guidetti, the moderator of the Gardening forum posted the following message in her area:
"Tim, some people report adding diatomaceous earth helps, but I think you must keep in mind that it only pierces those bug body parts that are soft. Beetle-shelled corn varmints are more likely to slip by the prickles on the diatoms' shells.
"The most effective way would be to store it in CO2 via dry ice just like the wheat storage technique we have discussed on both this forum and on Al Durtschi's food storage forum. Bugs that can't breathe, die, plain and simple.
"I have used temporary freezing for mine as an extra measure of protection after harvest, and so far, no infestations, BUT, you must keep it in a clean place after treatment. I bring in the DRY,shelled corn, put it in very heavy duty plastic bags or big jars and then store it, air tight, in my deep freezer for a week or so. Then remove it, let it come to room temp, and store it in a dead (electrically) freezer that I use JUST for storage of dry goods. Good freezer gasket is essential, though. Moths will find the cache if not.
"Better yet would be to store it in airtight plastic boxes or jars. Those large dry pretzel jars you get at the warehouse food stores are excellent if you seal the lids either with electrical tape or a rubber gasket you make yourself out of discarded inner tubes. Uh, huh, you heard right. A great resource for homemade jar gaskets :)...Geri Guidetti"
For those of you who are interested, Geri's web site is at http://www.arkinstitute.com/
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Date:
January 18, 1998 06:33 PM
Author: Kate Kelley
(kkkkatie@frontier.net)
Subject: Worth it to look into a canning machine?
I am in a county of about 8,000 people in Southwest Colorado. I know from talking to several people that the LDS church will assist in putting bulk foods into cans for a small fee (55ó per can is the price that has been told to me).
The few families here that are really starting to go forward with y2k preparedness are Christian families whose goal is to see most or all of our community prepared food-wise when 1/1/00 comes around.
My questions are these: Will the LDS church be overwhelmed by everyone in our community wanting to use their facility? Is it possible to get the equipment necessary to can our bulk food from a supplier so that others in our community have another resource to accomplish storing their bulk food? Anyone know how much this equipment costs?
I'd appreciate any input that any of you can provide on this matter. Maybe others in somewhat remote areas would benefit from this info.
In His peace always,
Kate Kelley
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Date:
January 19, 1998 03:44 PM
Author: Joe W. Stout
(joewstout@iswt.com)
Subject: canning equipment
Call Ready Made Resources 1-800-627-3809. The price was around $350. This from memory, can't find the catalog.
They have many other types of non electric supplies and tools.
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Date:
January 20, 1998 12:32 PM
Author: Al Durtschi
(rcox@mail.lcc.whecn.edu)
>My questions are these: Will the LDS church be overwhelmed
>by everyone in our community wanting to use their facility?
If everybody did, yes. But not everybody does. I've been to several of them and haven't found one yet that didn't have loads of idle time, although I did hear of one in Las Vegas where this was the case.
>Is it possible to get the equipment necessary to can our
>bulk food from a supplier???
Let me give you another source for a dry pack canning machine:
Gerring and Sons
Nampa, Idaho
208-466-9003
Their canning machine costs $715 which includes shipping.
Al
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