Date: January 12, 1998 11:51 PM
Author: lynn lowrie (hope1@breeze.net)
Subject: more practice

Hi there, anyone home here?

I tried making pet food yesterday. I was worried none of the pets would eat it. Well, I should have had more confidence. They ate it like it was their last meal on earth. I had about half pound of chicken trimmings, skin,etc.(no bones!) Put it in a pan with lots of water and fat drippings, some left over vegetables that got dry in the frig, added some rolled oats and some regular rice,sprinkled in some brewers yeast, cooked it till it was done and had a pot full of food for 2 cats and a big dog for several days. All three animals are eating it just fine. It's so darn cold outside where the cats are that I warm it in the micriwave a minute before I feed them. The dog lives in the house and he likes it better warm also (cant handle cat hair, however dog air is okay. cats stay in the garage when it rains, just so you don't think I'm cruel!) so I guess I am safe on the Y2k, won't worry about storing pet food. It's nice to know they will be okay.

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Date: January 13, 1998 01:02 AM
Author: Libby (Cowboyland)
Subject: Dog biscuits


Hi, Lynn. This is a great thread. Thanks. Here is my dog biscuit recipe. 2eggs. 3TBS oil. 1c.water 6 c flour. Mix well. Knead until workable. Will be real heavy dough. I use a mix of white/wheat flour. Shape into bones. (the kids love doing this. Constructive playdough) Brush w/soy sauce or teryaki sauce. Bake low heat until hard as rocks. This recipe is really perogi dough. For Perogis, pull off a golfball sized chunk, roll into a cicle, put filling in middle (leftover mashed potatoes mixed w/whatever you think works) fold over and press edges w/fork. Throw in boiling water. Take out when they float. Mix them in w/sauteed onion and butter, salt and pepper. Garnish w/sour cream. Ketchup if you're American. Makes a very filling meal. Two will do unless you are my son.

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Date: January 13, 1998 10:25 PM
Author: Bugite
Subject: Doggie biscuits


Thanks for the great recipe, I have purchased several large containers of dog vitamins, in the powdered form, to suppliment their diet during Y2K. But I think it would be great in your recipe for biscuits. How long can you store these, if kept in plastic baggies? I have a wood cook stove so making them w/o power or gas won't be a problem.

Bugbite

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Date: January 14, 1998 02:28 PM
Author: Libby (Cowboyland@aol.com)
Subject: Dog biscuits


I imagine that they would last as long as hardtack. There is no leaven or yeast. You could substitute egg replacer for the eggs if you are leary about eggs. Egg replacer does work. just makes a heavier product, which wouldn't effect the biscuits. They don't last long enough to time test them.

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Date: January 16, 1998 03:14 AM
Author: lynn lowrie (hope1@breeze.net)
Subject: pet nibbles


Hi Libby, thank you for the recipe, will make some tomorrow. I have 2 kitties, will they eat this? Maybe if I make them real small?

I like the idea of pet vitamens too. I have been feeding our pets with that mix I mentioned above, they are hungry all the time now, something is missing. I am pretty sure it's not the meat,that was in the mix. but the dog especially is always bugging us for something to eat, not usual for him once he has had a meal.

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Date: January 18, 1998 10:57 PM
Author: libby (Cowboyland@aol.com)
Subject: dog food


Been thinking about your pets being hungrier than usual on the homemade food. Perhaps thereis not enough animal fat in the mix. Fat gives a feeling of fullness. Being a carnivore, the intestinal tract is shorter than a grass-eater. Hence the food is not in the body as long. If you fry ground beeg or thelike, maybe pour the drippings on the food. The higher quality dog food brands(Iams,Eukanuba,etc) include eggs in the food to boost the protein levels. When we run out of dog food,I cook wheat and mix it with meat fat. But, it's a quick fix. Never tried it long term. Ask the butcher for some knuckle bones, or thigh bones of cow. Give Fido something to chew on to take his mind off his stomach?

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Date: January 21, 1998 10:03 PM
Author: lynn lowrie (hope1@breeze.net)
Subject: dog food


Libby, I think You are right. I did put in what I thought was a lot of fat in their food, but perhaps less than they need. By the way, we did buy some cheap dog food to get them by till be can afford the better stuff, guess what, they are still hungry all the time. Maybe the protein content? I should get out my complementary protein chart and try to make up a recipe that would give them all a comlete protein?

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Date: January 28, 1998 09:38 AM
Author: Will_richards (Will_richards@hotmail.com)
Subject: Palatability


Most dog food is designed to be patalable, but is not very nutritious. They make it more palatable by adding salt and flavorings. Find one that has a high protien and lots of fat and vitamins. I just stated using a product named Diamond, It is cheap enough I think I can store 50 bags. If I supplement it with some of your recipes I can get it to stretch out 2 years or more. I know this will sound bad, but I think you'll will understand. In the first two years she will have to be in peak perfomance shape, because she will be working full time.

Pay attention to the dogs vitamin needs. Powder dog vitamins are great, but expensive. You might try getting someone ine the poultry industry to buy you buckets of soluble B+ and C. Note: I am trying to find out if you can feed these to Humans. I would note here that it is a proven fact that Hip displacement is related to vitamin c deficiency. The experts say tha natural C is the best, such as oranges and the such. My German shepard thinks I am nuts when I try to give her oranges, but she will take a capsule or powdered spoonful.

Thanks for the recipe posts and keep them coming

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Date: January 29, 1998 12:45 PM
Author: Jim Smith (jdsmith1@hotmail.com)
Subject: Vitamin C


I don't know how far north you live, but I know that I can't grow citrus. I was a little worried about Vitamin C, especially in the winter and all those tales of scurvey.

I've found out that rose hips have lots of Vitamin C. They are very bitter, but apparently you can make a tea of them. The multiflora type produce more hips that the tea roses. It's nice to know that we can have a few flowers around the homestead and not think it's totally cosmetic.

Does anyone have any rose hip recipes or tips? Any specific species recommendations?

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Date: January 29, 1998 01:55 PM
Author: Ken Seger (Kenseger@primary.net)
Subject: Vitamin C resources


Purchase Cresson Kearney's book Nuclear War Survival Skills, it will tell you how many ounces of wheat you have to sprout for how many days to get enough vitamin C (~75 mg.) per day to avoid scurvy assuming that is the sole source of vitamin C in your diet.

Will R., dogs need vitamin C?? I thought that humans and guinea pigs were the only mammals that could not synthisize vitamin C? hmm.... I had always thought that hip dysplsia in dogs was a heredity defect.

On vitamin C, vit. C powder which can be purchased at any good health food store. Please note that when vitamin C goes bad it becomes toxic, however the antitoxin is vitamin C, so if it is 50% bad, you'll come out even????

Humidity is the main enemy of vit. C. If you purchase a large container of it, put it in smaller containers for everyday use so you won't be opening the large conatiner and introducing humidity to it everyday.

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Date: February 02, 1998 05:30 PM
Author: Kendall Gross (eagled7@webzone.net)
Subject: dog biscuit recipes / neat site


Found this site just yesterday, wherein are lots of good dog food recipes. I'm not sure of the vitamin contents - However, we are starting now making our own doggie treats. Have printed out the recipes for our 'survival manual'. . http://www.cgocable.net/~blacroix/recipes.html

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Date: January 21, 1998 12:47 PM
Author: UrthMomma (UrthMomma@aol.com)
Subject: "Playing Pioneers" or getting kids used to storage foods


Being mom to a pair of junior history fans (1st & 3rd graders) has an advantage when introducing them to storage foods. Daughter(3rd gr) is reading her way through all of the "Little House on the Prairie" series, 30-some books,and makes lots of comments on how hard it was for Laura and her family. Said daughter now willingly eats fried cornmeal mush, whole wheat bread and can make tapioca pudding from scratch by herself (in the microwave. Son (1st gr) is fascinated by American Revolution and helps make a pot of beans or lentils and eats them with gusto. " This is soldier food."

We will be exploring "Little House on the Prairie Cookbook" with daughter and colonial recipes with son. Numerous trips through Amish areas have also fueled their curiosity regarding woodstove cooking and canning. Amish/Mennonite stores have induced them into trying things like bulk orange drink mix (generic TANG, cheddar cheese powder in things, beef jerky-too spicy for them, vegetable chips, and lots of whole wheat bread. They can't wait for Dad to get the mill properly mounted so they can grind some wheat -- we'll see how long the enthusiasm lasts.

Studying the pioneers has been part of social studies at school, but "eating like the pioneers" has been a really big hit. The Scouts have taken field trips to the local living history museum and that was "awesome", too.

This probably won't work with older kids, but elementary ages think it is a blast!

Blessings,

UrthMomma

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Date: January 21, 1998 10:53 PM
Author: Libby (Cowboyland)
Subject: eating food storage


I have done a similar thing w/our kids. My 5 yr.boy hates eggs but will eat "Cowboy Jumble": Leftover baked potatoes sliced.heat w/sauteed onions or scallions,pour over this reconstituted egg mix intowhich has been mixed cheese powder and Bacon TVP. Cook until eggs done. Oh, add seasonings to taste. Another is "Chuckwagon Biscuits": Make up powdered biscuit dough, add cheese powder(real cheese is better but...) reconstituted dried onion,and Bacon TVP. Adding a bit of bacon grease (a bit,not enough to clog your arteries)enhances the bacon bits. Bake until done.

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Date: January 19, 1998 12:36 AM
Author: Dinty Moore (dintym@hotmail.com)
Subject: Dog food

Thanks to all for the input on Dog food- I've been experimenting with that as well. We have a Malemute puppy that's about 2/3 grown (75lbs) and he can really put away the chow. Fortunately, he's also completely omnivorous- he enjoys bananas, lettuce, raw potatoes and carrots, apple cores, corn cobs, oatmeal, whatever! Besides our usual array of leftovers, I've been supplementing his food with a 25 lb. bag of brown rice that has just started to go a bit rancid, to use it up. Was in our small local produce store the other day and went through the "Not so Goods" basket -came up with with a bag of six overripe avocados for a buck, and mixed them in too. He loves leftover Nachos too, if I get carried away and make too many. I've tried to be careful about buying the more premium brands of regular dog food, as I'm real conscious of some of the cheaper companies' habit of using euthanised pet carcasses ground up in theirs- so stretching his food with other things helps keep costs down. I have a bag of wheat that was frozen with slightly too much moisture in it, and will no longer germinate, so I believe I'll donate this to him as well- will experiment with some different recipes. Best to all.. *Dinty*

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Date: January 21, 1998 10:11 PM
Author: lynn lowrie (hope1@breeze.net)
Subject: scraps


Might want to be more organized with those scraps, feed them as a snack, maybe. we lost a pet bunny one year, we were lame enough to think that because she liked something that she could live on it. So all she got for a month was trimming from vegetables (lots of them), very bad, she literally starved to death before our eyes while being fed constantly. No need to tell you how terrible we felt for a long time, but we learned a good lesson there. And as far as people are concerned, I used tothink that when people get really hungry they will eat what is available (like the donners?), well, I have changed my mind on that too, from experience I have seen my kids literally miss a meal than eat somethign they personally couldn't get themselves to eat (like TOFU, bleh!)

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Date: January 26, 1998 10:14 PM
Author: Dinty Moore (dintym@hotmail.com)
Subject: scraps, etc..


Thanks for your concern Lynn- this is a good point. I'm aware of this though- just because my crazy pooch likes lettuce doesn't mean he can live on it. Rarely a day goes by when he doesn't get his IAMS high energy puppy chow, and usually a can of high test to boot- just that the little (?!) bugger has such a healthy appetite, that I like to help top him out with something less spendy when possible. On that note, I've been experimenting with the wheat berries and found that when I cooked 'em up and mixed them with his food, they tended to get recycled pretty much in original condition- leading me to believe that his system isn't designed to process it very well in this form. I believe I'll try blending the next batch after it's cooked, and mix it in as a paste. There's a lot of good protein there if he can assimilate it. Any input or tips in this area from others who've experimented with it would be most appreciated. I've managed to keep him in premium chow by buying the torn bags that have been taped up, and our local warehouse outlet manager gives 'em to me for the price of the cheap stuff- but it won't be an option one of these days. For others who don't plan to turn their night watchman into jerky right off the bat, it's an unavoidable issue that would be nice to get a jump on. Perhaps a large cooking pot reserved for rude intruders will help keep them fat and happy... ; ) *Dinty*

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Date: January 27, 1998 04:47 PM
Author: Libby (Cowboyland)
Subject: dog food


not to turn this into a dog food forum, but i thought this suggestion from my husband might be practical... As we are embarking to raise meat rabbits (just for family)as a source of clean meat, he suggesyed letting a few out for the dogs to kill and eat, as it is the fresh organs which provide carnivores with the most nutrients. Sounds gross, but when you can't buy dog food anymore, and they're hungry on scraps...

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Date: January 28, 1998 09:48 AM
Author: Will_richards (Will_richards@hotmail.com)
Subject: Are you wanting to raise rabit hunters?


I raise Beagals for hunting, we give them the rabbit pelts. I would not let my dog have any uncooked food. The guts of a rabbit carry all kinds of nasty things.

The biggest problem with giving the dogs live rabbits to eat is they will get in you rabbit hutches and eat at will. I do not let my dog have any fresh kill. Think desease and think training and control.

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Date: January 29, 1998 12:30 PM
Author: Libby (Cowboyland@aol.com)
Subject: rabbit


Thanks, Will,

I'll make sure they're cooked before we feed, if things get to those measures. I imagine I'll make quite a few blunders learning to be independent. Already have...many of them.

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Date: January 27, 1998 04:57 PM
Author: Libby (Cowboyland)
Subject: more dog food


Dinty,

We were buying Iams until the price became prohibitive. There is a brand out there called "Pro Pac" which is comparable to Iams but less expensive. You might check your area feed stores for availability. The Tucson Police Dept uses ProPac for their K-9 units. They were using Eukanuba. Our dogs have done well on this..even to their coats becoming quite shiny, which did not happen on Iams. Just a thought.

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Date: January 28, 1998 02:59 AM
Author: Dinty Moore (dintym@hotmail.com)
Subject: Thanks Libby-


Appreciate the input- good stuff. I think the subject is worthy of part of a thread at least- it's a pretty common issue, and one that will be a lot bigger when we may not be able to run down to the feed store and fix up Rover 40lbs at a time.. thanks again.. *Dinty*

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Date: January 21, 1998 10:29 PM
Author: lynn lowrie (hope1@breeze.net)
Subject: inspiration

I dont know where else to post this, but I think I should at least post it here.

I am tell this story just to encourage others to listen to their inspiration when it comes.

I was thinking canning jars, 2nd hand shop style, and decided one day to make the rounds about town. I knew I needed those darn things, BUT WHY DID I HAVE TO DO IT ON A RAINY DAY IN DECEMBER, STILL I FELT I NEEDED TO. Anyway, my first stop was the the Salvation Army store and I thought the place was going out of business, the parking was full, the street was full too. I got in there and it was full. Found they were having a half price sale, PLUS a colored tag sale! I checked , no jars. I started looking around and ended up buying 2 nice blankets, flannel sheets, regular sheets and a nearly new iron for about $12. Now I have been to that store for the past 10+yrs, never knowing that on the first Tuesday of EACH month they do this double sale! The clincher is, we REALLY NEEDED those blankets, not just for Y2k, but NOW. I had no idea in my mind for blankets that day, but was I sure glad I had listened to myself when I got home. And you can bet what day is circled on my calender every month now. I hope you understand what I am trying to say, when you feel prompted to do something, you should do it. Try it a few times, let it buzz in your head and do it even if your not sure why. I think we are ALL being inspired to get ready for this, I think we are inspired in ways we don't even KNOW we need.

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Date: January 27, 1998 10:42 PM
Author: Bugbite
Subject: Inspiration


So true. It's not just saving our families, or being on top of the heap. It is what we take with us into the future. Our love, our hope, our determination, our faith...

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